xAghastEaglex wrote:95 = ridiculous cap.... Lets just have 100 OVR CAFs and have a no fun league with super fighters... Jesus...

This all goes back to WINNING people can't play these games without having advantages its sad really. If 95 is seriously the cap then I'll have a 95, fights won't be fun and I'll hardly compete but I'll have one. I'll probably quit after a while of watching, SWEEP hook hook hook SWEEP hook hook hook SWEEP etc etc etc... That is just gonna suck ASS.

ultranova5000 wrote:A 95+ CAF is still going to have weaknesses, acting like they don't is silly unless all their stats are EXACTLY SAME. In the end you would probably have a couple of stats above 90, the rest would be 80, or you could have a stat at 100 but then you would have a stat at 70, that would be your weakness along with the moves you decided to pick. How is this any different from EA MMA when we had wrestlers with 95 punching power and an 85 chin?

You either have to go with lvl1 moves to cover all positions. When you think about it, you have at least 5 clinch positions (not including the cage) and over 8 positions on the ground (not including posturing up). There's no way you can have 13 lvl3 moves in all those positions as well as have a high stat overall. A lower overall CAF can afford to get elbows in ground positions and knees in the clinch along with throws/sweeps.

With a high cap, at most our CAFs would have a 10-15 point difference in stats. With a low cap it's possible that there could be a 15-25 point difference in stats if someone decided to favor just one attribute. Imagine if our cap was 85, then imagine if someone just leveled up standing strikes to 100 and left everything at 68. Now imagine that guy just holding the right stick during the fight so he never gets taken down. You can also figure that someone could make a 79 overall CAF (which you wouldn't do if the overall is higher), and that 79 caf has leveled up sweeps and moves in every position. We end up with CAFs that have TOO many moves and since they are only fighting CAFs overall at 85, then they might as well all be GSP and Jon jones cause they have all the damn moves regardless of the numbers cause everything is RELATIVE. In other words a 79 CAF vs 85 CAF ends up being a 88 CAF vs 95 CAF, just that both end up having more moves then they should.


Then there's the argument that our guys would be better then the champs, which is completely untrue. You look at GSP, Anderson, and Jon jones, they have too many leveled up moves for their stats, granted some of the moves are silly (like 2 lvl3 spinning backfist on jones) but there's no way to make a CAF have that overall and the amount of leveled up moves those guys possess.

We ran EA MMA where are CAFs were basically comparable to Fedor, Nick Diaz, and Bas in terms of points used and that worked out just fine. In the end Fedor was still better then any CAF you can you make (high chin, high subs, high striking). We still had great fights even though some guys could hit harder and take more damaged then the champs (like a brawler with 100 punching power and chin).


Most people are just looking at overalls and then comparing it to Roster fighters, the thing is we aren't fighting roster guys. We are fighting CAFs, you have to compare your CAF to other people's CAFs.

How come everyone who has fought another person's CAF have no problem with 95 or above cap?

How exactly is it unfun to have our CAFs be balanced against each other?

You think having a lower CAP will make things more balanced when people will have more moves or power level a couple of attributes?

Why should I be punished for making a good CAF? 88-96 is the sweet spot in terms of moves vs stats. If the CAP ends up being lower then 96, I'm taking a long vacation from career cause there's no way I'm going through career again to make the exact same guys with more moves just cause others come to the wrong conclusion about stats vs moves. I'll just use my one 92 middleweight and keep my 96 guys on hold till the cap eventually goes up which I know it will after others have tested this out.

People don't buy these games to be Tim Silvia or Chris Leben, so why should we make our CAFs those? If all our CAFs are championship caliber then they will be balanced against eachother, it's not like one 93 CAF is the exact same as another 93 CAF. Not only would the points be spread out differently but also the moves will be different.

I figured this crap out in about a week of playing, more are figuring this out as time goes on. This is how THQ balanced their career mode.

Tommy Tweedy wrote:

Rainboi21 wrote:8 want the cap under 95
7 want the cap @ 95.

two most popular should be put up for a revote.

Are you serious i didn't even vote for 95 i voted for 92 and 95 has almost the same votes as every other option. I know your the pres and you want loopholes to try and get what you want but come on.

xAghastEaglex wrote:They're gonna have weaknesses yes, but everything they do is 10x more effective. This basically just scares of any new members who may not be the best at the game. So new members vs you get your rocks off? Hmmmm which is more important?

K!LLA B33 wrote:

xAghastEaglex wrote:They're gonna have weaknesses yes, but everything they do is 10x more effective. This basically just scares of any new members who may not be the best at the game. So new members vs you get your rocks off? Hmmmm which is more important?

This is false. The lvl 3 moves a 88 CAF will have makes up for the stat difference. A higher overall means more balanced stats but less moves so they will only have advantages in the areas the lower overall CAF has weakness but it goes both ways. A lower overall means more specialists that are dangerous in certain areas. For example, a lower overal CAF who's a specialist at grappling will have higher grappling stats with a bunch of lvl 3 moves and subs to go with it giving them a huge advantage over higher overall CAFs on the ground. If this was just about stats and moves with lvls didnt exist then you would have a point.

a) Leagues are for competition. If someone joins they most likely understand the game and are looking for a challenge. b) the matchmaking here is fair. They wont matchup noobs with top guys. If we get alot of noobs then I'm sure they will make a beginners league like they did for EAMMA. c) The only other league I know of for UFC3 is the UOC. Their cap is 100 and they have plenty of ppl looking to compete. A 95 cap is more in the realm of possibility for the norm and with a career mode guide (ultranova500 should be posting one soon) they will have the knowledge to make competitive CAFs.

xAghastEaglex wrote:They're gonna have weaknesses yes, but everything they do is 10x more effective. This basically just scares of any new members who may not be the best at the game. So new members vs you get your rocks off? Hmmmm which is more important?

Hung Long wrote:how bout u jus go look at the career guide i posted an STFU

xAghastEaglex wrote:UOC that's your arguing case? You mean the guys who whine when they lose? Yeah...

Honestly why not just make the stat cap 77 jesus lol. You people crack me up. You know what it comes down to? Needing to win. If this was really about SKILL level than people who were actually any good wouldn't care if the stat cap was 80 they'd just win. You'd be able to beat 95 the reason its being set to 95 is because people need that, too feel superior so they have an advantage. That's all it is. A desire to WIN. Needing to WIN. That's all.

this is you with 95 cap ->
This is you without it ->

xAghastEaglex wrote:Not everyone can get it that high and you know it. Don't try that BS. Everyone Rainboi said did make sense. You're trying to act like this isn't the basic math, everything is controlled by the stats. The effectiveness of each move is affected by the stat that governs that area of play. A flying knee is more effective when a fighter has higher kick offense. etc etc.

Each stat increases effectiveness by a percentile. Yes less moves on a 95 CAF but if the ones you have are level three and are all governed by your HIGHEST stats that can make them up to 300% more effective. Now for "hypothetical" reasons lets say there are douchebags who do this on purpose. I know absurd right? But bear with me. That gives them a tremendous advantage assuming they can dictate the fight or take control early. That's all it takes. So don't act like you're the only one who knows what they're talking about. Once a "know-it-all" always a know it all.

Balls in your court Tweedy the Nerd.

Rainboi21 wrote:the idea that a higher overall produces more diversity is absurd.

There are very few ways to get a 95 overall. You have to have very high in most skills and kinda high in others. whereas an 85 can have kinda high in everything or very high in a couple but super low in others

all the combinations that make 85 or even 90 far out weigh the combinations that make 95. fact is the higher the overall, the less diversity of the fighters.

Think about it. how many ways can you arrange for a 100 overall fighter? not many.

Rainboi21 wrote:the idea that a higher overall produces more diversity is absurd.

There are very few ways to get a 95 overall. You have to have very high in most skills and kinda high in others. whereas an 85 can have kinda high in everything or very high in a couple but super low in others

all the combinations that make 85 or even 90 far out weigh the combinations that make 95. fact is the higher the overall, the less diversity of the fighters.

Think about it. how many ways can you arrange for a 100 overall fighter? not many.

K!LLA B33 wrote:^ ^
This eagle guy is a biter. He's running a league named Bushido. lol What a lame. Come up with your own name chump.

Rainboi21 wrote:the idea that a higher overall produces more diversity is absurd.

There are very few ways to get a 95 overall. You have to have very high in most skills and kinda high in others. whereas an 85 can have kinda high in everything or very high in a couple but super low in others

all the combinations that make 85 or even 90 far out weigh the combinations that make 95. fact is the higher the overall, the less diversity of the fighters.

Think about it. how many ways can you arrange for a 100 overall fighter? not many.

How is it more diverse when everyone will have the same moves? With an 88 you can learn just about if not all the moves in the camp you choose. There are only 5 camps so everyone who chose the same camp will have all the same moves. At least with 95's we'll see alot less ppl with the same moves.

What combinations are you talking about? How many different ways do you think ppl will make their stats? I doubt we'll see too many specialist with a 88 since it will create huge weknesses which is whats needed for your theory to hold true. Most will want to be well rounded and boost their striking AND grappling. So we'll have a bunch of well rounded fighters with mostly the same moves. So its either well rounded 88's with all the same moves or well rounded 95's with specialty moves.

If anything drop the cap to 94. Thats not only a pretty good area for good stats and plenty of moves but its what alot of ppl will end up with anyway since once you reach 94 every training drill will most likely put you at 96. I couldnt get a 95 on 2 tries. Got 94 both times and couldnt get higher or I went over.

xAghastEaglex wrote:Named such because of similar management.

Moving on that made little to no sense... Why would everyone have the same moves on an 88? Hmmm? Why would COMPLETELY different people pick the same moves? That doesn't make any sense. Unless there were certain moves you needed, which there aren't I don't see everyone having the same moves. Considering I've only put the same moves on two of my career guys and the rest are different. By the way those two guys were Pride Big Nog and UFC Big Nog.

K!LLA B33 wrote:

xAghastEaglex wrote:Named such because of similar management.

Moving on that made little to no sense... Why would everyone have the same moves on an 88? Hmmm? Why would COMPLETELY different people pick the same moves? That doesn't make any sense. Unless there were certain moves you needed, which there aren't I don't see everyone having the same moves. Considering I've only put the same moves on two of my career guys and the rest are different. By the way those two guys were Pride Big Nog and UFC Big Nog.

Similar management? None of the staff here is staff on your site. The only similarity is you and you're not management here.

Moving on, it makes perfect sense if you're not being closed minded. Lets say you and I (COMPLETELY different ppl) both join Black House. We will have the same choices in moves right? With a 88 we will have plenty of actions to learn them all or get alot of them to lvl 3 so its almost impossible not to end up with the same moves. With a high overall the moves will be reduced to specialties since we can't rack up on moves so ppl will tend to get the moves that compliment their style. So you will have 95 strikers with a bunch of striking moves or 95 grapplers with a bunch of grappling/sub moves instead of a bunch of 88's with plenty of both.