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OnlineMMA

OnlineMMA
I'm starting this thread so I can start a different poll. You can read the other discussion on this here. These are your choices. I'm going to vote for the 2nd option since its in the middle. Very Happy Please vote and post your thoughts. I want to get this solved asap. Here is a breakdown of the choices.

1. Ban it completely - Self explainitory.
2. Allowed only special strikes to be parried for takedowns - This means only the flying knee, overhand, teep, spinning backfist and spinning kicks can be parried for takedowns
3. Allow it in its entirety - Self explainitory

If this isnt solved by Sunday I will make a ruling on my own. I'd rather let you guys decide. If you vote please explain your vote.

EDIT:
* The Final Ruling *
I can see a justification for it but I also see how it can be exploited so for the sake of fairness I cant allow it in its entirety. My final ruling is, parry takedown is legal ONLY on special strikes. In other words you can only use the parry takedown on these strikes:

Overhand punch
Superman Punch
Spinning backfist
Spinning kicks
Teep kick
Fyling knee

All other strikes are off limits. If you parry takedown any strike but the ones listed above you must immediately get up and back away. The league will then deduct a point from your score for that round. If there is a decision the league will factor the point deduction into the score that was given and decide the winner. If you parry takedown ilegally a 2nd time in the fight you will be disqualified.

K!LLA B33

K!LLA B33

You know my vote. Razz

Zhane123

Zhane123
mmm yea.

ele25

ele25

I voted for all.. Razz

If I seen this completely ban. Idk.

Its part of the game. Then I say any striker like if your is (Thai, Kickboxer, Generalist) all have TDD cap then. Fair is Fair.

K!LLA B33

K!LLA B33

There is no parry get up so its not fair. Strikers have to earn their way back up so grapplers should have to earn their way to the ground. THATS fair especially when there are countless ways to get it to the ground already.

ele25

ele25

Yeah when both ways can be denied with a simple press of a button or flick of the stick. THe Kick come on how many times do we see that happen in this league. I think I seen it a total of 2 times.

I say this you want that ban. Then anyone who is Muay Tai, Kickboxer, Generalist, and or any kind of striker has to have a cap on there TDD.

stikstyle


I've talked with several people about this when I first showed back up here and I've had this conversation on the EA MMA forums from time to time. First off let me say this. This is a legit move that was built into the game. The intentions of this move was to help those ground fighters with a way to get the fight to the ground. Thus why it always ends in guard.

Now my thoughts on the move as a stand up fighter is a VERY thin line. If you're parry spamming just waiting to get this then ban it completely. You don't have enough people here to just kick that person out but its WAYYY over powered when you add a high level parry spammer. The striker has no chance against that.

However if I'm sitting here becoming predictable with my strikes and a well time single parry is right then it was earned and I'm fine with this move. Now when the fight gets to the ground is the other side of my issue with this free take down.

Once the fight ends up on the ground if the player on top isn't trying to intelligently move and just sitting on top draining stam and torso then again I say ban the move. If their game plan is simply to drain stam with no effect to them (at least standing you can counter punch these stam drainers) this is WAYYY too over powered. Even I have trouble at times when facing a HIGH Experienced player, especially a TSC user who has a ground built wrestling caf whos whole goal is to simply sit in half guard and drain you completely to move to side control then major to full mount while I am defenseless.

Its a fine fine line and I'm mixed on it. I will say though for all of you ground fighters who are complaining about not being able to get the fight to the ground without this then you need to get better at your striking combinations. EA Dev Preston and I fight weekly on both systems and never has an issue getting a legit takedown at least 1 or 2 a round because he uses great combo set ups. It can be done but you have to put ALOT of work in knowing the mechanics and actions of the game and players reaction.

ele25

ele25

stikstyle wrote:I've talked with several people about this when I first showed back up here and I've had this conversation on the EA MMA forums from time to time. First off let me say this. This is a legit move that was built into the game. The intentions of this move was to help those ground fighters with a way to get the fight to the ground. Thus why it always ends in guard.

Now my thoughts on the move as a stand up fighter is a VERY thin line. If you're parry spamming just waiting to get this then ban it completely. You don't have enough people here to just kick that person out but its WAYYY over powered when you add a high level parry spammer. The striker has no chance against that.

However if I'm sitting here becoming predictable with my strikes and a well time single parry is right then it was earned and I'm fine with this move. Now when the fight gets to the ground is the other side of my issue with this free take down.

Once the fight ends up on the ground if the player on top isn't trying to intelligently move and just sitting on top draining stam and torso then again I say ban the move. If their game plan is simply to drain stam with no effect to them (at least standing you can counter punch these stam drainers) this is WAYYY too over powered. Even I have trouble at times when facing a HIGH Experienced player, especially a TSC user who has a ground built wrestling caf whos whole goal is to simply sit in half guard and drain you completely to move to side control then major to full mount while I am defenseless.

Its a fine fine line and I'm mixed on it. I will say though for all of you ground fighters who are complaining about not being able to get the fight to the ground without this then you need to get better at your striking combinations. EA Dev Preston and I fight weekly on both systems and never has an issue getting a legit takedown at least 1 or 2 a round because he uses great combo set ups. It can be done but you have to put ALOT of work in knowing the mechanics and actions of the game and players reaction.

This Agree with. If you are parry spamming then yes it should be banned. But if you catch a guy who is throwing the same combo then it should be allowed.

K!LLA B33

K!LLA B33

That makes no sense. So if I jab over and over you should then be allowed to parry takedown? What if I'm attacking the same side bcuz you simply arent guarding it? Also, how can you say its justified if someone is predictable with their strikies? What about ppl who arent that good at striking and only know the same combos. We should be allowed to parry takedown them?

Also, if we should ban it if ppl parry spam then we might as well ban it then since majority of the ppl who play this game parry spam. Its impossible to tell if someone is parry spamming to get the parry takedown or they're just simply a parry spammer.

Oh and sitting on top draining stamina/torso and not trying to intelligently move is basically what just about everyone I've seen who uses the parry takedown does.
stikstyle wrote:I will say though for all of you ground fighters who are complaining about not being able to get the fight to the ground without this then you need to get better at your striking combinations. EA Dev Preston and I fight weekly on both systems and never has an issue getting a legit takedown at least 1 or 2 a round because he uses great combo set ups. It can be done but you have to put ALOT of work in knowing the mechanics and actions of the game and players reaction.
This

ele25

ele25

Some people dont have that kind of time. Seriously. I am all for making games realistic but there is a difference between the real world and gaming. Making a game too real will actually kill it. There has to be some fantasy to it. Thats why we play games to get away from the real.

K!LLA B33

K!LLA B33

ele25 wrote:Some people dont have that kind of time. Seriously. I am all for making games realistic but there is a difference between the real world and gaming. Making a game too real will actually kill it. There has to be some fantasy to it. Thats why we play games to get away from the real.
Final vote on the parry takedown? LeBron-James

ele25

ele25

Is that lebron James..Kinda funny.

smileyfacedkill


you can get the fight to the ground without using a cheap, unblockable tactic. Iwas going to join this league until I saw that it favors a skilless move such as parry takedown.

ele25

ele25

Yet we just had Stikstyle who is respect fighter amongst the EA MMA community defend it in a way. Stating that the developers added it to the game. hmmm Thats not cheap.

Zhane123

Zhane123
Let's go heat... What???! ;| yea it should be your wrong ele I'm gunnA take killas side on this one...

ele25

ele25

I will continue to fight for what I believe in until there is a ruling made. W.e it maybe i will go with it as we are doing it democratically.

Zhane123

Zhane123
That's more like hahahahaa. It. Join us muhawakhFgb

russianboy7

russianboy7
Yeah I think parry takedown should be banned, but not fully like you can use it maybe twice a takedown

BlazedGonzo

BlazedGonzo
I disagree. If you ban this, you might as well take out Striking, Counter Head Kicks, Submissions, or anything else that can be exploited in this game. Why don't we just move to FNC?

I mean C'mon Son!

Whats next Major Transitions when opponent is gassed?
Why are you bringing this up Killa, when you go on about how good you are on the ground?


Also if you don't like being immobilized on the ground, don't get on your back. Draining someone by body shot from above is a real tactic used in MMA. Parry takedowns are another tactic that is used in real life. I thought OMMA was about realism, not bending the rules to better suit you. No offence to Killa but that is all I see happening here. You stating you opinion and shooting down anyone who disagrees with it.

Sad too, that you would let your opinion effect your camp. Just because you have your morals, does not make someone who uses this cheap or less of a fighter. There is no ruling against it yet, and to tell people to leave your camp because you don't agree makes this seem like a power trip.

Hey Ele, if you want. GJJA would help you out bud, if you would like to spar. We don't give people cold shoulders because our moral objections. We simply obey the rules.

K!LLA B33

K!LLA B33

BlazedGonzo wrote:I disagree. If you ban this, you might as well take out Striking, Counter Head Kicks, Submissions, or anything else that can be exploited in this game. Why don't we just move to FNC?

I mean C'mon Son!

Whats next Major Transitions when opponent is gassed?
Why are you bringing this up Killa, when you go on about how good you are on the ground?


Also if you don't like being immobilized on the ground, don't get on your back. Draining someone by body shot from above is a real tactic used in MMA. Parry takedowns are another tactic that is used in real life. I thought OMMA was about realism, not bending the rules to better suit you. No offence to Killa but that is all I see happening here. You stating you opinion and shooting down anyone who disagrees with it.

Sad too, that you would let your opinion effect your camp. Just because you have your morals, does not make someone who uses this cheap or less of a fighter. There is no ruling against it yet, and to tell people to leave your camp because you don't agree makes this seem like a power trip.

Hey Ele, if you want. GJJA would help you out bud, if you would like to spar. We don't give people cold shoulders because our moral objections. We simply obey the rules.

What a bunch of BS Gonzo. When the hell have I ever went on about how good I am on the ground? Please tell me. Dont put words in my mouth man. Draining someone's body with spammed body shots and parry takedown is in real MMA? LMAO!!! There are tons of MMA vids online. Please show me someone getting gased from body shots. Also I'd LOVE to see someone doing a parry headkick takedown in a real fight. lol Real fighters are taught to setup takedowns with strikes not parries and when fighters get taken down after a kick the kick was CAUGHT not parried. lol Wow

Yes OMMA is about realism thats why parry takedown needs to be banned or reduced to certain strikes. I say banned completely bcuz you dont see ppl doing the parry takedown in real life period and we can also avoid the fine line of what is legal and what isnt. To meet the cheezers half way I agreed to allow it but only on certain strikes. Being ale to parry ANY strike to get a takedown is lame and not realistic at all. It also kills the standup part of this game. This isnt a grapplers league. Why should grapplers get a move that gives them an easy route to their world when strikers dont have any easy way to get it to their world. If there is no easy way up there shouldnt be a easy way down. Period.

Bending the rules to suit me? Wtf are you talking about? There is no rule yet so what am I bending? You grapplers are the ones who are trying to get things suited for yourselves. Its BS that you can get an easy free TD after parrying just one strike and when I work my way back standing you can just get another easy free TD after parrying another strike. There is nothing like that for strikers. Once it goes to the ground there is no easy way to get back up. Couple that with there already being countless legit ways to get it to the ground and thats why its not fair. It gives waaay too much of and advantage to the grappling styles. If there was a parry getup then it would be fair.

Nothing needs to be 100%. You guys dont want to work for shit. Nobody has been using the parry takedown here from what I seen so far and the league is fine? Allow parry takedown and ppl wont want to be here. Why allow something that will cause problems in the league or ppl to leave? We dont have a huge community as it is. We dont need to run the ppl we have off by allowing something that only a small part of this community wants. This shows how selfish you guys are being. You're willing to ruin the entire league for cheap move that only you and a few others here use. If we allow parry TD then everyone might as well register grappler CAFs since every fight will be a ground fight. I mean why use a striker style if ppl are just going to parry TD? They have weaker ground stats.

Oh and its OUR camp! If we dont want ppl in our camp using that tactic then its our choice. Nobody wants ppl who fight dirty or use cheap tactics in their camp unless of course they are dirty and use cheap tactics themselves. That goes for real life as well. It brings a bad name to the camp. Parry TD is considered cheap by the majority so we dont want to be affiliated with it. Also, we take pride in earning our TDs the real way. I didnt tell him to leave. I gave him the choice. If he wants to go to your camp then fine. Again, its HIS choice. Just say the word ele. Power trip? I'm not even the leader of my camp nor do I have power in this league. lol What power are you talking about? Just WOW Gonzo. lol

OnlineMMA

OnlineMMA
OK guys you've had your say. You're just arguing now. Lets wait to hear from some of the other members and get some more votes. Its a little too close to make a final ruling.

Droges

Droges

Ya I dont think this is negative about the debate. Just two differences of opinion.
-edit- If a team feels its a negative showing, then thats up to them

-edit- deleted negative thoughts of my camp.

Was the game always like this?.. there was all my previous parry gone to waste and now from training I know not to put myself in that position.

parry takes downs will have to be on certain moves and not 100% banned as it is part of the game imo.

I find it very strange you can do a parry take down on a jab, wheres the logic in that?

ele25

ele25

Whatever happens happens. Honestly it seems only a select few have made there point on arguing for the bann as well against the bann. It seems no one really gives a flying fuck or do not know what it is. I just got one question, if didnt bring this up what would be the chances of seeing it? Now bringing it up you might see it used. Keep the unaware, unaware. Simple as that.

By the way striking has always had the advantage in EA MMA.

Striking>Grappling. Remember one fucked up Parry can end your night.

Droges

Droges

striking > grappling is like that in RL as well though.

I was on person that was unaware as I try to keep the fight standing.. lol.

so your point about unaware, unaware is valid as well.

Note: I edited my previous rambling post regarding camps and poor droges camp.
I am going through Mad dog training aswell so I can man up.

K!LLA B33

K!LLA B33

Droges wrote:striking > grappling is like that in RL as well though.

I was on person that was unaware as I try to keep the fight standing.. lol.

so your point about unaware, unaware is valid as well.

Note: I edited my previous rambling post regarding camps and poor droges camp.
I am going through Mad dog training aswell so I can man up.
Its not valid IMO. If ppl are unaware then you can take advantage of them. Keeping the unaware, unaware is basically hiding your advantage which IMO is even more cheap then the move itself. If its legit why hide it. Also, if you're gonna do it then why not make it known so everyone can do it? The fact that majority of the ppl here dont know what it is gives more of a reason to ban it. Nobody is trying to use it but a few so banning it wont hurt the league.

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